The reversed responsibility response

The reversed responsibility response

—switching the burden of proof

September 9, 2012 at 3:10 pm
nonsensenose says:

BS: “I’m going to need a lot of evidence that the supernatural explanation is the correct one, and I’ve seen nothing.”

What is the evidence for your own explanation?

September 9, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Bob Seidensticker says:

My explanation? You mean the default, natural explanation?

September 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm
nonsensenose says:

BS: “You mean the default, natural explanation?”

Yes, evidence for the natural explanation which you believe is the default.

NSN: A couple of thoughts.

(1) The burden of proof is always on the person making the supernatural claim. If science and reason had nothing to say about where morality came from, this would still be true. (Science has lots of unanswered questions. “You got not answer? Well I do–God did it!” is obviously no answer.)

(2) We see morality in other primates. Do they also tap into an objective moral truth? I don’t think so–moral instinct seems to explain this quite well. That is, they’re born with certain instincts that we would call “moral”–compassion, sympathy, a sense of fairness. And so are we.

1) I see that the burden of proof is on a person making a supernatural claim.
I do not see why your claims would be exempt from the burden of proof.
2) We don’t see morality in other primates. You do.
It is correct, as you state, that we could call some of their observable traits “moral.” It would be equally correct to state that we could call them “social inclinations” or “signals of social status” or “equivalent to human affect” or whatever.
Such claims do not provide any evidence at all.

October 3, 2012 at 9:51 am
Bob Seidensticker says:


Cut to the chase. Show me the evidence for objective moral truth.

October 5, 2012 at 9:07 pm

You first.


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